Red Point & Tortie Point Siamese
  Breeding Policy

Although it is possible to mate various cats together and produce kittens which look like Siamese, only certain matings will produce cats which can be registered and sold as Siamese.

• The Siamese Registration Policy applies to all Siamese and governs which cats can be registered as Siamese and which can not.

• The RP&TPSCC Breeding Policy explains which are the most desirable matings to produce the Club breeds, and why.

Siamese Registration Policy

1. Full Register
   Siamese with Full or Provisional recognition which have in their pedigrees within five generations only Siamese (24, 24a, 24b, 24c, 24k, 24n, 24r, 32 1 - 32 10, 32t1 - 32t4, 32t7 - 32t9, 32a, 32b1 - 32b4, 32b7 - 32b9, 32c, 32fn) shall be registered on the Full Register.

2. Supplementary Register
   Siamese with Full or Provisional recognition which have in their pedigrees within five generations only Siamese (as above), Havana (29), Oriental Lilac (29c), Foreign White (35), Oriental Black (37), Oriental Blue (37a), Oriental Red (37d), Oriental Cream (37f), Oriental Apricot (37fn), Oriental Tortie (37e, 379, 37h, 37j, 37m, 37p, 37y), Oriental Cinnamon (37k), Oriental Caramel (37n), Oriental Fawn (37r), Oriental Spotted Tabby (38 to 38y, excluding silvers), Oriental Classic Tabby (41 to 41y, excluding silvers), Oriental Mackerel Tabby (44 to 44y, excluding silvers), Oriental Ticked Tabby (45 to 45y, excluding silvers) shall be registered on the Supplementary Register.

3. Experimental Register
   Siamese with Preliminary recognition which have in their pedigrees within five generations only Siamese (as above), Havana (29), Oriental Lilac (29c), Foreign White (35), Oriental Black (37), Oriental Blue (37a), Oriental Red (37d), Oriental Cream (37f), Oriental Apricot (37fn), Oriental Tortie (37e, 379, 37h, 37j, 37m, 37p, 37y), Oriental Cinnamon (37k), Oriental Caramel (37n), Oriental Fawn (37r), Oriental Spotted Tabby (38 to 38y, excluding silvers), Oriental Classic Tabby (41 to 41y, excluding silvers), Oriental Mackerel Tabby (44 to 44y, excluding silvers) Oriental Ticked Tabby (45 to 45y, excluding silvers) shall be registered on the Experimental Register.

4. Reference Register
   All cats of Siamese appearance (i.e. Siamese type with blue eyes and colour restricted to the points) which have in their pedigrees within five generations any breeds other than the above shall be registered on the Reference Register.

   This ruling shall take effect from 20th October 1993 and shall not be retrospective. From 20th October 1993 any cat born from parents of any breed not included in group 2 shall be registered on the Reference Register, and so shall their suitable offspring for the required number of generations.

   In the case of breeds of different type or coat quality the number of generations shall be increased to twelve when practicable.

   Should any further colours of Siamese be developed as a breed (e.g. Smoke Point, Silver Tabby Point etc.) the appropriate cats may be registered on the Siamese Experimental Register at the request of the Siamese Cat Joint Advisory Committee. Those cats already registered on the Reference Register shall then be treated as if they were registered on the Experimental Register.

   Note: All Red Point, Cream Point or Apricot Point Siamese with one or more Tabby Point or Oriental Tabby parents must be registered as Red, Cream or Apricot Tabby Points until proved otherwise.

   In the case of cats imported onto the GCCF register, no cat with a Tabby Point or Oriental Tabby within five generations may be registered as a Red, Cream or Apricot Point unless either
   a. the cat has been proved by test matings to be non-agouti, or
   b. there is a non-red, non-agouti cat breaking the line descending from the Tabby Point/Oriental Tabby, or
   c. a Red, Cream or Apricot Point in the line descended from the Tabby Point/Oriental Tabby has been proved by test matings to be non-agouti.

(above policy approved by GCCF 20.10.93
amended June 1998 by addition of new colours
amended 25.10.00 by addition to note to cover imported cats
amended June 2002 to move 24k to section Full Register
amended June 2003 to move 24n to section Full Register
amended June 2004 to move 24r, 32 7, 32 9, 32t7, 32t9, 32b7, 32b9, 32fn to section Full register)

Red, Tortie, Cream & Apricot Point Breeding Policy

The following is an explanation of the breeds which are acceptable or unacceptable in the pedigrees of Red, Tortie, Cream and Apricot Point Siamese.

1. Siamese (other than Tabby Points)
   The following breeds are obviously acceptable and desirable: Seal Point (24), Blue Point (24a), Chocolate Point (24b), Lilac Point (24c), Red Point (32a), Seal, Blue, Chocolate and Lilac Tortie Point (32b1, 32b2, 32b3, 32b4) and Cream Point (32c).

   Cinnamon Points (24k), Caramel Points (24n), Fawn Points (24r), Cinnamon, Caramel and Fawn Tortie Points (32b7, 32b8, 32b9) and Apricot Points (32fn) are also acceptable in Red, Tortie and Cream Point pedigrees, but their presence will put the kittens on the Supplementary Register and some Siamese breeders may find them unacceptable. (Fawn-based Cream Points will also tend to be rather "hot" in colour.)

2. Tabby Point Siamese
   (32 1, 32 2, 32 3, 32 4, 32 5, 32 6, 32 7, 32 8, 32 9, 32 10, 32t1, 32t2, 32t3, 32t4, 32t7, 32t8, 32t9)

   Matings between Red, Tortie, Cream and Apricot Points and Tabby Points present some difficulties.

   Firstly, all red/cream/apricot kittens from any mating where at least one parent is a Tabby Point MUST be registered as Red/Cream/Apricot Tabby Points (32 5, 32 6, 32 10) until proved otherwise; this is because there is no way of distinguishing between Red/Cream/Apricot Points and Red/Cream/Apricot Tabby Points visually. In order to discover whether a cat is a Red/Cream/Apricot Point or a Red/Cream/Apricot Tabby Point it must be mated to non-tabby cats (seal, blue, tortie etc.). If one (non-red) tabby kitten is produced this proves that the cat is a Red/Cream/Apricot Tabby Point, because the agouti gene (which produces tabby) is dominant and cannot be carried by a non-tabby cat. If no tabby kittens and at least 12 non-red, non-tabby kittens are produced from such matings the cat can be presumed to be a Red/Cream/Apricot Point and its re-registration can be requested via the Club.

   The other reason why such matings may not be desirable is that distinct markings - tail rings, leg stripes, ribbons, thumb marks - are essential in Tabby Points, but in Red, Cream and Apricot Points we wish these markings to be as unobtrusive as possible. Selective breeding should therefore be proceeding in opposite directions - for distinct markings in Tabby Points but against them in Red, Cream and Apricot Points - and crosses between the two destroy this selection.

   Tabby Points, therefore, are acceptable but not very desirable in our pedigrees, and it is recommended that novices seek advice before attempting matings between our breeds and Tabbies.

3. Self Oriental Shorthairs other than White
   Havana (29), Oriental Lilac (29c), Oriental Black (37), Oriental Blue (37a), Oriental Red (37d), Oriental Cream (37f), Oriental Apricot (37fn), Oriental Cinnamon (37k), Oriental Fawn (37r) and Oriental Torties (37e, 37g, 37h, 37j, 37m, 37p, 37y) are not deleterious in Red, Tortie, Cream and Apricot Point breeding. The type and coat texture are identical and the only difference is the substitution of the gene for full coat colour for the Siamese gene (which restricts colour to the points) and this is clearly visible. As the full colour gene is dominant, any Siamese from these matings, when mated to Siamese, will only produce Siamese and cannot produce a full-coloured cat unless mated to one. However, eye colour in the offspring of such a cross may be poor and it is, of course, not possible to select for contrast as this will not show on the self coat, but only in the Siamese offspring. It must also be remembered that kittens from these matings will be registered on the Supplementary Register and many people will not wish to purchase them for breeding.

4. Oriental Tabbies
   (Spotted - 38, Classic - 41, Mackerel - 44, Ticked - 45; excluding Silver Tabbies)

   Matings to Oriental Tabbies combine the disadvantages of section 2 with those of section 3 and should therefore be approached with great caution, especially by novices. It should be noted that all red, cream and apricot cats from such matings (Siamese or Oriental) must be registered as Tabbies until proved otherwise.

5. Foreign Whites
   Although most Foreign White breeders mate only to 24 series cats, other Foreign Whites may mask tabby and some could possibly mask other colours such as silver or shaded which are obviously not desirable. Matings with Foreign Whites should therefore be approached with great caution because the colour hidden by the white coat is not necessarily known. Any red/cream/apricot kittens from Foreign White breeding must be registered as Red/Cream/Apricot Tabby Points until proved otherwise.

6. Other Oriental Shorthairs
   The inhibitor gene which produces Smokes and Silvers has a diluting effect on colour and the wide band gene which produces Shaded cats also restricts the pigment in the hairs. Neither are desirable in our breeds. Although these genes are dominant they have a variable effect, so cats possessing these genes may be misregistered as the colour difference is not always detectable. Matings to Smokes, Silver Tabbies and both Standard and Silver Shaded are therefore not permitted by the Registration Policy.

7. Other Breeds
   Matings between Siamese and cats with different coat length or quality are undesirable from the Siamese point of view and such matings are prohibited by the Registration Policy. Crosses between Siamese and Balinese are registered on the Reference Register as variants and only the longhaired Balinese offspring from such cats are registered on the Supplementary Register. The same applies to Siamese/Oriental Longhair crosses. Crosses between Siamese and Tonkinese or Burmese are registered as Tonkinese or Tonkinese variants.

   Matings between Siamese and cats with different type are obviously undesirable, therefore Longhairs, Exotics, Birmans, Turkish Vans, Somalis, Maine Coons, Norwegian Forest Cats, Ragdolls, British Shorthairs, Manx, Russians, Abyssinians, Korats, Cornish Rex, Devon Rex, Asians, Bengals, Ocicats, Singapuras etc. must not be introduced.

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